Excerpt from the just published Bhagavad Gita, In the Light of Kashmir Shaivism, by Swami Lakshmanjoo . . .


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Spande’pi, in Spanda śāstra also (the author of Spanda is Vasugupta; Vasugupta is the author of Spanda śāstra), in Spanda also it is said:

bhoktaiva bhogyabhāvena 
sadā sarvatra saṁsthitaḥ //2:4

It is bhoktā who has become bhogya. Bhoktā (the knower) has become the known; known is not separate from the knower. This is the manifestation of the knower that known is known. Known is known. The known is known [only because it] is the manifestation of the knower. Otherwise, if the manifestation of the knower would not [be accepted as the cause of the known], then the known could not be known. It would remain unknown. What?

JOHN: Known.

SWAMIJI: Known would remain unknown to everybody.

JONATHAN: So you have to have both. You have to have known and knower.

SWAMIJI: [laughs] Yes.

JOHN: But which one comes first?

SWAMIJI: No, no. Knower. It is the act, it is the manifestation of the knower. It is [owing to] the manifestation of the knower that known has taken place. It is not both.

JOHN: So you have pramātṛ and then pramāṇa and then . . .

SWAMIJI: And prameya.

JOHN: . . . prameya. So pramāṇa and prameya are knowing and perceiving.

SWAMIJI: Pramāṇa and prameya are the manifestations of the knower (pramātṛ).

JOHN: Of known.

SWAMIJI: Knower! Knower!

JOHN: Knower.

SWAMIJI: Yes.

JONATHAN: So without the knower, nothing can exist.

SWAMIJI: No [affirmative], without knower. Knower is the hero, the hero in this drama–the predominant hero.

Sarvāṇīndriyakarmāṇi . . . 27th and 28th śloka now.

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