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The final goal in Shaivite philosophy is when individual unites with universal consciousness. ~Swami Lakshmanjoo

Swami Lakshmanjoo talks to Alice Christensen about the final goal in Kashmir Shaivism and what it is like to reach it.

Now with transcript. For Spanish translation scroll down…

This is part 3 of a series of four video interviews about the Yamas and Niyamas (10 commandments) in yoga. It contains a very rare glimpse into the perceptions of a true yogi, Swami Lakshmanjoo, as he reveals the real goal of Kashmir Shaivism and talks about kundalini.

 

Alice: Swamiji, and in the Shaivite philosophy you are the greatest living authority in Shaivism. The Yamas and Niyamas are an important part of this philosophy.

Swamiji: These are important parts.

Alice: In the Shaivite philosophy the final goal . . . could you tell me is it union? What is the final goal for Shaivites?

Swamiji: The final goal in Shaivite philosophy is when the individual unites with universal consciousness.

The final goal in Shaivite philosophy is when individual unites with universal consciousness. ~Swami Lakshmanjoo

Alice: Universal consciousness. And that universal consciousness…

Swamiji: . . . is God.

Alice:  . . . is God. Is it in use all the time Swamiji or do you have to look for it?

Swamiji: No, universal consciousness you will find in each and every individual but it is in the background. It is in a subsided state at this time. When you practice and meditate on some point, explained by your master, then by and by this individuality vanishes in universality, and time comes when universal consciousness rises in one’s own body, and he experiences this universal consciousness. And that is the state of God. But that experience, experiencing that universal consciousness is not direct experience.

Alice: How do you even know when you are even approaching something like that, Swamiji? What are your signposts on the road?

Swamiji: Memory comes in you. Memory comes in you, “Oh, I was in universal consciousness already, previously, and I didn’t know it.” This is the sign of that experience.

Alice: Oh, I see, memory of past things.

Swamiji: No, you feel at the time of rising of that universal consciousness in you, you feel there is memory.

Alice: Ah, as if you have been there before.

Swamiji: Yes.

Alice: Swamiji, this super-conscious state, that you kind of recognize when it hits you think, “oh, I felt this before” then what happens? Then what are the signs there for a man or a woman who is into yoga, like that? What do they watch for? Where do they go from there?

Swamiji: They don’t watch! They feel that God consciousness as the flood and fountain of excessive of joy . . .

Alice: Happiness.

Swamiji: Happiness. It is super-sexual joy.

Alice: A sexual happiness.

Swamiji: It is not individual sexual joy. It is super-sexual joy. Say a hundred thousand million times more intense joy than that sexual joy.

Alice: And it continues a long time.

Swamiji: It continues a long time and it flows, flows in each and every vein of your body. You are intoxicated with that bliss but…

Alice: And you just feel over hours and hours or days?

Swamiji: No, it remains only for three or four seconds and for the rest of your life is . . .

Alice: The rest of your life is affected by that.

Swamiji: If it should remain, according to the theory of Abhinavagupta, remove you should remain for one hour then this body won’t exist.

Alice: You die.

Swamiji: Finished, yes. You can not tolerate that intensity of joy in this limited body. You have to throw this, shatter this body. You become one with that divine.

Alice: So this super sexual joy is just such a tremendous joyful state, do yogis go into this feeling when they die? Is this what death is for a yogi?

Swamiji: Yes.

Alice: That’s why they don’t fear it.

Swamiji: (shakes his head) They love it. They love death.

Alice: (laughing) they love death.

Swamiji: They love death.

 

This is an excerpt from a video interview with Swami Lakshmanjoo by
Alice Christensen – The American Yoga Association.
Copyright © American Yoga Association

 

 

Spanish translation by José Luis Prieto…

Swami Lakshmanjoo hablando con Alice Christensen sobre el objetivo final del Shaivismo de Cachemira. !Un raro destello de la experiencia de un santo! LA META FINAL EN EL SHAIVISMO DE CACHEMIRA

ALICE: En la filosofía shaiva, ¿se podría decir que la meta final es la unión? ¿Cuál es la meta final de la filosofía shaiva?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: La meta final de la filosofía shaiva es la unión de la persona con la conciencia universal.

ALICE: Y esa conciencia universal…

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: Es Dios ALICE: ¿Se encuentra disposición todo el tiempo, Swamiji? ¿Sólo tienes que buscarlo?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: No, la conciencia universal la encontrarás en todos y cada una de las personas, pero está en el fondo, está en un estado de escondido en este momento. Cuando practicas y meditas en algún punto explicado por tu maestro, entonces esta individualidad se desvanece en la universalidad. Y llega el momento en que la conciencia universal se eleva en el propio cuerpo. Y experimentas esa conciencia universal. Y ese es el estado experimentado de Dios. Pero experimentar esa conciencia universal no es una experiencia directa.[ es como caminar por la orilla de ese gran océano de la conciencia]

ALICE: ¿Cómo sabes cuando te estás acercando a ese estado, Swamiji? ¿Cuáles son las señales en el camino?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: La memoria viene a ti: “Oh, yo ya he estado en la conciencia universal, anteriormente, y no lo sabía” Esta es una señal de esa experiencia. Sientes, en el momento de la subida de esa conciencia universal, sientes allí una memoria.

ALICE: ¿Como si hubieras estado allí antes; como si lo hubieras sentido antes?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: Sí

ALICE: Swamiji este estado de superconciencia que reconoces cuando te golpea y piensas, “Oh, he sentido esto antes”, entonces ¿Qué pasa? ¿Cuáles son los signos para un hombre o una mujer en el Yoga? ¿Qué es lo que buscan, a dónde van desde allí?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: No miran. Sienten esa conciencia, la conciencia de Dios, como fuentes de gozo excesivo.

ALICE: Felicidad Felicidad. Es un gozo supersexual.

ALICE: Un gozo sexual.

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: No es gozo sexual individual. Es un gozo supersexual. Digamos que es un gozo millones de veces más denso que el gozo sexual.

ALICE: ¿Es continuo?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: Contínuo por mucho tiempo y fluye en todas y cada una de las venas de tu cuerpo. Estás intoxicado con ese gozo.

ALICE: ¿Y lo sientes durante horas y horas o días?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: Permanece sólo por tres o cuatro segundos, y el resto de tu vida estás intoxicado con ese gozo. De acuerdo con Abhinavagupta, si permaneces durante una hora, entonces este cuerpo dejaría de existir.

ALICE: Mueres SWAMI

LAKSHMANJOO: Sí, no puedes tolerar esa intensidad de gozo en tu cuerpo limitado. Tienes que deshacerte de este cuerpo, destrozarlo, estar indiferenciado con lo divino.

ALICE: Gozo supersexual, es un tremendo estado de gozo. ¿Los yoguis tienen este sentimiento cuando mueren? ¿Es así la muerte para los yoguis?

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: Sí.

ALICE: Por eso no la temen, la aman…

SWAMI LAKSHMANJOO: Aman la muerte.

  1. March 27, 2020

    Knowingly or otherwise there is this feeling to move towards this evolutionary urge to get transported to a state of universal consciousness to be blissfully comfortable discerned/described by psychologist viz: William James in his “Varieties of religous experiences”.

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